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Post by Empress Palpatine on Aug 13, 2009 18:22:53 GMT -5
I have heard of people who made homemade radios. I never did it. (Actually, it was Nikola Tesla who really invented the radio. Marconi just ripped off his patents.) This company sell science stuff. Perhaps this would help: scientificsonline.com/product.asp_Q_pn_E_3052333"I don't see why there'd be an actual energy transfer through the computer. I once watched a documentary on tv about how they make Tupperware, and it said that they couldn't enter the room without eye protection, because the light could instantly blind someone. My dad was watching it with me, so I asked him what that meant for us, and he didn't have an answer. A few years later, I was told that the light's wavelength doesn't transfer through the television accurately, because it uses a different method to display it. This is also why we can look directly at the sun on television, but not in real life. I would assume the same is true of looking at a Tesla Coil. However, there's a link between the pleasure centers of the brain and personal energy. Perhaps simply seeing them in action is something that you enjoy. It's something worth looking into." I know it can't be the coil itself. It has to be me. It may have to do with thought and how thought causes us to generate energy. My curiosities have to do with can we humans increase our own energy by tapping outside sources like electric fields that are all over the place? Can a human increase how much energy they generate within?
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Post by Jinsei on Aug 13, 2009 23:33:04 GMT -5
I don't see why someone wouldn't be able to do this. A lot of people go to "places of power" where there is a definite energy field in the area, so they establish it as a place of prayer, meditation, etc.
With electricity, the problem seems to arise from actual contact with it, not with the radiant energy that it emits.
While it's a fictional source, just like Star Wars, the series Avatar: The Last Airbender has people who can shoot lightning. Iroh learned how to channel what was being thrown at him through his body and return it to the person attacking him. The only requirement to make it work was to channel it around the heart, otherwise it would kill.
The same may be true when trying to use external energies. We can freely tap into the energy that is given off by the Earth with little effort, because it's coming from a living thing. You can absorb larger amounts of it, but the body isn't meant to hold too much excess in it, which is why it needs to be released. With artificially generated electricity, I still think that it would need to be stepped down to a safe level before we could channel it. Some people can feel the energy that's being given off by transformers and electrical wires. Others, like myself, seem to put out street lights simply by going past them.
Raising energy is a matter of focus and control. To learn a little more about it, you might check out books like "The Vampire Codex" by Michelle Belanger. It's geared towards vampires, but the methods could be learned by anyone that wanted to put in the effort. While Michelle talks about life energy, the same concept can be applied to other electric fields, but be prepared for whatever may come from it, especially if you don't have prior training in energy manipulation.
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Post by Empress Palpatine on Aug 14, 2009 20:31:43 GMT -5
Nikola Tesla's first biographer actually knew Tesla personally when Tesla was an old man. He interviewed him for a book that he wrote. The book was called PRODIGAL GENIUS THE LIFE OF NIKOLA TESLA by James O'Neill 1944. In it is a part where Tesla told the secret of how to make electricity safe for humans. Quote:
“The amazing feat of harmlessly passing through his body currents of tremendously high voltage and high frequency was one which Tesla evolved by his mental experiments long before he had an opportunity to test them in his laboratory. The low-frequency alternating currents, such as are now used on home lighting circuits, would, he knew from unpleasant experiences, produce a painful shock if passed through the body. When light waves impinged on the body, however, no such painful sensation was produced. The only difference between the electric currents and light waves, he reasoned, was a matter of frequency, the electric currents oscillating at the rate of 60 per second and the light waves at billions per second.”
“Somewhere between these two extremes the shock-producing property of electromagnetic vibrations must disappear; and he surmised the point would be near the lower end of the gap. Damage done to the body by electric shock he divided into two factors, one-the destruction of tissues by the heating effect which increased or diminished as the amperage of the current was raised or lowered; and two-the sensation of acute pain which varied with the number of alterations of the current, each alteration producing a single stimulus which was transmitted to the nerves as a pain.”
“Nerves, he knew, could respond to stimuli up to a rate of about 700 per second, but were unable to transmit impulses received at a more rapid rate. In this respect they acted very much like the ear, which is unable to hear air vibrations above a frequency of about 15,000 per second, and the eye, which is blind to color vibrations of a frequency higher than that in violet light.”
“When he constructed his high-frequency alternating current dynamos, he had frequencies up to 20,000 per second with which to test his theory; and by finger tests across the terminals he was able to demonstrate that the nerves were unable to perceive the individual vibrations at this rapid rate. The amperage, which carried the tissue-destroying power, was still too high in the output of these machines to pass safely through his body, even though the sensation of pain was lacking.”
“By passing these currents through his newly invented air-core transformers, he could increase their voltage ten-thousand fold and reduce the amperage proportionately. The current density would thereby be reduced below the point at which it would injure tissues. He would then have a current which would not produce sensation and would not harm the tissues. He cautiously tested the theory by passing the currents through two fingers, then his arm, next from hand to hand through his body and finally from his head to his feet. If a spark jumped to or from his body there was a pin-prick sensation at the point of contact, but this could be eliminated by holding a piece of metal to and from which the spark could jump while the current passed through the tissues without producing any sensation.” (p. 96, 97)
Of course this is not the sort of thing an ordinary person could or even should do. A mistake could be deadly. It only proves the differences in variety of electricity.
Of course, in the Star Wars fiction, Sith send out lightning that is deadly to their targets; yet somehow the Sith lord has to survive his own voltage. The fictional flaw would be, if it is deadly to the target, would it not be deadly to the user?
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Post by Jinsei on Aug 14, 2009 21:32:36 GMT -5
Interesting question.
When I go into some places, especially Wal-Mart near the refrigerator section, I tend to build up a huge static electric charge which shocks someone when they touch me, or shocks me when I touch something metal. If it's someone else that gets shocked, then it doesn't hurt me. However, if I touch something metal, it can hurt really bad.
Perhaps the same is true of channeling larger amounts of electricity through the body. If it's not a lethal dose, but a continuous stream of intense levels, then it could account for something like Luke being in such severe pain while the Emperor was attacking him. If it's a lethal level of energy, then it could be that in the fiction, through the use of the Force, they're able to channel it around their vital organs and pass it out through the hands. As long as nothing vital is harmed, then there shouldn't be any reason for it to be lethal to the user. The victim is likely grounded and unable to control the lightning that's being thrown at them. When Vader picked up the Emperor, the resulting electricity hurt both of them. The most obvious answer is that the Emperor was caught off guard and was so shocked by being grabbed that he lost control of the lightning, which resulted in it going everywhere and seeking the closest ground, which was down Vader's armor to the floor.
Control of the direction in which it flows seems to be a key component in using something like Sith lightning. I'm not sure at what levels or frequencies of electricity a person would be able to channel it. By studying systems such as Reiki in combination with Psi-Feeding, along with lots of practice using a device which would allow the user to slowly increase the level of energy flowing through it, someone might be able to build up a higher level of resistance and control. Though, without the device to control the energy, I'm not sure if someone would be able to gather enough energy to actually form something similar to lightning. I'll ask around and do some digging to see if anyone has researched the subject.
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Post by Empress Palpatine on Aug 15, 2009 14:13:28 GMT -5
I think some of the people who are fond of building electrical gizmos are perhaps accidentally gaining some sort of sensing how to channel these sorts of energy. It is an accidental byproduct, however, because I have not yet found one of these Tesla coil builders who is into psychic stuff or magic, at least not consciously. Many of them are drawn to the lightning, even obsessed with making bigger and bigger arcs; yet if you ask them why such an obsession, they don't know.
The person who performs with Arcattack and wears the Faraday suit, Parsec, makes an interesting claim. He apparently has become joyful, giddy, and hyper because he gets zapped four and five times a day. The suit stops the lethality, but apparently, there is still some sort of effect on him. He is curious as to why this is. I do not think any of the people in this group are into any sort of magical practice. This is some sort of side affect.
This is the youtube. It is only 56 seconds long (O.K. for dialup perhaps).
It may be a question of a special kind of knowhow as you mention. Some people may be accidentally mastering it. If a person consciously knew how, it might be quite noticeable. I have never seen a book on this.
By constant exposure (in a safe range of course) a person may build up that tolerance. I noticed on that Aussie Tesladownunder site, the guy was showing off arcs to this reporter. He was touching the arcs with no discomfort, but when the reporter tried it, he found it painful. Did the Aussie coil builder build up tolerance as well as knowhow (unconsciously)?
Of course, with the fictional Sith lightning, there are two things. The Sith himself must be safe from the energy being channeled though their body.. Secondly, the Sith has to somehow generate that sort of power.
Perhaps movies just put things in extremes.
When a human does a practice, say qigong or reiki or one of those, is the energy that is raised only energy from within the person already; or is it drawn from outside?
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Post by Empress Palpatine on Aug 15, 2009 14:16:39 GMT -5
Great, I'd be curious.
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Post by Jinsei on Aug 16, 2009 1:39:58 GMT -5
Check out these two sites, especially the second one - www.magitech.com/magick.html and www.hscti.net/Their products are severely overpriced, but it shows that someone has at least researched the idea. Rather than spending money on anything they're offering, I'd rather find out what their devices do and figure out how to re-create them or modify them for personal use and goals.
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Post by Empress Palpatine on Aug 17, 2009 22:17:15 GMT -5
I took a glance but will need time to look them over more carefully. It seems others are trying this idea. I agree with you, though. It is better to "find out what their devices do and figure out how to re-create them or modify them for personal use and goals."
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Post by Empress Palpatine on Aug 19, 2009 19:00:00 GMT -5
Check out these two sites, especially the second one - www.magitech.com/magick.html and www.hscti.net/Their products are severely overpriced, but it shows that someone has at least researched the idea. Rather than spending money on anything they're offering, I'd rather find out what their devices do and figure out how to re-create them or modify them for personal use and goals. I finally got to take a closer look at those links. I found what Tesla did which is similar in nature: rpmgt.org/ELECTRICAL_OSCILLATORS.htmIt seems those in those links are all DC. Tesla's are AC and DC. The ones done by this other guy are meant to charge water as opposed to humans directly. As far as the idea of different frequencies doing different things to humans, yes, that is like what Tesla believed.
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Post by Jinsei on Aug 23, 2009 11:37:25 GMT -5
Well, it's not quite what you're looking for and so far I haven't had time to really dig to see if I can find the experiments, but someone I talked to said that there was a doctor who inserted two electrodes into the brains of animals, then in later experiments into humans.
One electrode went into the part of the brain that stimulates rapid memory response, the other was inserted into the pleasure center. When low current was applied, the people experienced what is closely described as enlightenment. Apparently they felt that they understood everything far better than ever before, while being in a sort of walking dreamstate.
I want to try and find out more about the experiment though, because while it's not exactly what you were asking about, there may be a way to simulate the effects without actually inserting electrodes directly into the brain. If you were enjoying the mass influx of knowledge and understanding that was suddenly available to you, then it seems like it would almost be the opposite of meditation, but achieving similar results in the long run. Imagine what you could learn while using a machine like that, not only from what you can see, but from what you can remember.
Though, I wonder how many times a person would be able to safely do that, especially in the case of the electrodes, without causing some sort of damage.
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Post by Empress Palpatine on Aug 23, 2009 23:37:23 GMT -5
By all means go for it. It reminds me of an old movie FORBIDDEN PLANET. Here is a clip about the brain booster of an alien race. www.youtube.com/watch?v=OL2NPg7KE6s&feature=related(Dialup may mean you have to see it on your friend's computer. I hope you one day get broadband. It is so much fun.) Anyway, it is some sort of electrode setup that connects to a person's head and makes them very much smarter. Some of Tesla's biographers said that Tesla applied electrodes to his head.
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Post by Jinsei on Aug 24, 2009 11:45:55 GMT -5
I used to have broadband, but now I live too far out in the country. When I'm in town with the laptop, I can usually get wireless at the bookstore. I think I'll be going to town today... have to go pick out my birthday cake and dinner. So, I'll have to remember to take the laptop with me.
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Post by Empress Palpatine on Aug 24, 2009 13:09:16 GMT -5
Happy Birthday! Great, then you can see some of the video stuff. We are in the county in a development and got broadband about a couple or so years ago. Verizon came out here and dug up the whole neighborhood and put in fiber optic cable. So it is fairly new here. With any luck they will come out your way soon.
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Post by Jinsei on Aug 24, 2009 14:16:06 GMT -5
Thanks ;D
According to our phone company, we're slowly getting closer to being able to have broadband. Depending on who you ask, we're either two miles from it or less than 1/2 mile from it. Hopefully it'll be here soon. Four years ago we were four miles from it, so it's moving about a mile a year closer.
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Post by Empress Palpatine on Jul 4, 2010 0:02:47 GMT -5
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