Post by Loretta Anakin Skywalker on Mar 31, 2011 16:04:54 GMT -5
Adona Mara
Prepare for an old goat rant. Yay! I am glad that we agree about ALL animals!!! That says it best for you. ;D
I never heard that FDR was a robber baron in history class. That is a new one. I never heard that FDR refused to pay his taxes. So I can not call someone a hypocrite if to my knowledge their slate is clean. As to JFK I do not believe in condemning the son for the crime of the father. It was Joe Kennedy that made money off illegal liquor not the son John. So in my book John F. Kennedy is clean. If your father was a bank robber like "The Hole in the Wall Gang" and when you grew up, you made an honest living are you guilty by Blood of your parents for crimes they did. I would sure hate an America that rounded citizens up for the crimes of your relatives. My grand father on my mother's side was mob but mother just married dad who was Navy and made an honest living. I would hate it if our whole family including the grand children were taken in "knight and Fog" fashion for being related to the wrong person. I had my share of Janitor jobs, working for McDonalds and even picking oranges so I would hate to be accused for what grand dad did.
Your last complaint circles around back to the original reason for starting this thread. Here is where we are wasting time with labels like Liberal or Conservative. Here is where We SHOULD STAND UNITED! Now I will explain. The conservatives, lets assume well meaning, want spending cuts to get rid of the heavy bureaucracy. So the conservatives fight the government and put conservative candidates on government offices. The now "conservative" politician votes for spending cuts but instead of cutting the bureaucracy as desired by the constituents, they cut essential government spending like police, fire, common welfare and so on. So the government is technically "smaller" because something was cut but not what should be cut. So the well meaning conservative gets egg in the face. The government is still "Big" because we are still stuck with the bureaucracy and the meddling that any freedom loving American hates. Hence the conservatives were maneuvered around. This is why conservatives are unhappy and still complain about "Big" government and America is Socialist.
On the other hand, the Liberals are just as unhappy because when the liberals cry for Big government in order to take care of government essentials, like common welfare,police, fire and so on the same politician votes to keep the bureaucracy. So the politician turns to the liberal and says we kept "Big" government for you. The liberal like the conservative is made unhappy because the very programs they fought to defend are still cut and to the liberal the government is "small" government and hence unable to defend the people. The liberal is now just as unhappy as the conservative because both are FORCED to be stuck with the BUREAUCRACY. Of course this is why I started out saying we have to start all over from scratch. This is why I said Americans, for once, has to have the starch of the forefathers and actually fight a Revolution. Other wise both liberals and conservatives will ALWAYS be unhappy. What good is making EVERYONE miserable.
Newt Gingrich falls in this phony conservative category because in 1995 I had an actual copy of his "Contract For America" where like all the others before him, he called for cuts in essential programs like Social Security, Medicare and Welfare and so on. So that would just cause death of the citizens that need and depend on those programs. And of course the Bureaucracy would remain!!! But the people would die. The 74 million figure is how many Americans would die if in 1995 just Social Security were cut. This is not counting the death toll if the other essential programs were cut. This is not including the violence and chaos that would happen if those programs were cut. This figure is based solely on the number of people depending on those programs assuming they crawl in a hole and peaceably die. But we know in the real world of the fight for survival the starving people will resort to violence if necessary for survival.
I think as long as both conservatives and liberals are FORCED by the bureaucrats to ping pong ball back and forth between the two, America will just continue on it's steady decline until we eventually hit rock bottom. So again, this is why I think America has to get rid of all existing government and private sector structures and start all over. It will be hard. I am not being funny but it must be done. The problem is too many cooks are spoiling the broth.
Prepare for an old goat rant. Yay! I am glad that we agree about ALL animals!!! That says it best for you. ;D
I never heard that FDR was a robber baron in history class. That is a new one. I never heard that FDR refused to pay his taxes. So I can not call someone a hypocrite if to my knowledge their slate is clean. As to JFK I do not believe in condemning the son for the crime of the father. It was Joe Kennedy that made money off illegal liquor not the son John. So in my book John F. Kennedy is clean. If your father was a bank robber like "The Hole in the Wall Gang" and when you grew up, you made an honest living are you guilty by Blood of your parents for crimes they did. I would sure hate an America that rounded citizens up for the crimes of your relatives. My grand father on my mother's side was mob but mother just married dad who was Navy and made an honest living. I would hate it if our whole family including the grand children were taken in "knight and Fog" fashion for being related to the wrong person. I had my share of Janitor jobs, working for McDonalds and even picking oranges so I would hate to be accused for what grand dad did.
Your last complaint circles around back to the original reason for starting this thread. Here is where we are wasting time with labels like Liberal or Conservative. Here is where We SHOULD STAND UNITED! Now I will explain. The conservatives, lets assume well meaning, want spending cuts to get rid of the heavy bureaucracy. So the conservatives fight the government and put conservative candidates on government offices. The now "conservative" politician votes for spending cuts but instead of cutting the bureaucracy as desired by the constituents, they cut essential government spending like police, fire, common welfare and so on. So the government is technically "smaller" because something was cut but not what should be cut. So the well meaning conservative gets egg in the face. The government is still "Big" because we are still stuck with the bureaucracy and the meddling that any freedom loving American hates. Hence the conservatives were maneuvered around. This is why conservatives are unhappy and still complain about "Big" government and America is Socialist.
On the other hand, the Liberals are just as unhappy because when the liberals cry for Big government in order to take care of government essentials, like common welfare,police, fire and so on the same politician votes to keep the bureaucracy. So the politician turns to the liberal and says we kept "Big" government for you. The liberal like the conservative is made unhappy because the very programs they fought to defend are still cut and to the liberal the government is "small" government and hence unable to defend the people. The liberal is now just as unhappy as the conservative because both are FORCED to be stuck with the BUREAUCRACY. Of course this is why I started out saying we have to start all over from scratch. This is why I said Americans, for once, has to have the starch of the forefathers and actually fight a Revolution. Other wise both liberals and conservatives will ALWAYS be unhappy. What good is making EVERYONE miserable.
Newt Gingrich falls in this phony conservative category because in 1995 I had an actual copy of his "Contract For America" where like all the others before him, he called for cuts in essential programs like Social Security, Medicare and Welfare and so on. So that would just cause death of the citizens that need and depend on those programs. And of course the Bureaucracy would remain!!! But the people would die. The 74 million figure is how many Americans would die if in 1995 just Social Security were cut. This is not counting the death toll if the other essential programs were cut. This is not including the violence and chaos that would happen if those programs were cut. This figure is based solely on the number of people depending on those programs assuming they crawl in a hole and peaceably die. But we know in the real world of the fight for survival the starving people will resort to violence if necessary for survival.
I think as long as both conservatives and liberals are FORCED by the bureaucrats to ping pong ball back and forth between the two, America will just continue on it's steady decline until we eventually hit rock bottom. So again, this is why I think America has to get rid of all existing government and private sector structures and start all over. It will be hard. I am not being funny but it must be done. The problem is too many cooks are spoiling the broth.